by Michael Bunker
***This is the transcript of Michael Bunker’s sermon on the prophetic/religious condition of the world today. His sermon is based primarily on the responses to his article on the “Passion”. Editing has been left to a minimum, so it won’t read like a usual article; it is, for the most part, left like it was delivered. We want to thank the LazarusUnbound.com transcribing committee for their work in transcribing Michael’s sermons ***
“Take heed unto
thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt
both save thyself, and them that hear thee” (1
It is necessary for those of you who are listening at home (around the world), or if you’re watching the video tape of this sermon, that you have a bit of background on what it is we are going to discuss; so, if you are able, go to Lazarusunbound.com and read the original article on “The Passion” that is posted on the front page. Secondarily, for background purposes, I’m going to discuss some things in relation to a doctrine series that I did where we discussed the doctrine of the Papal Antichrist and the False Prophet. These articles can be found at our website in the “Critical Doctrines” section. If you need to get rehearsed on those, please do.
Those here in the homegroup, if you need to go back through those teachings, it would help you understand what I am going to say today if you understand the historic teaching of the Church (the historic Protestant Church) on who the Antichrist is, who the False Prophet is, and those things. If you can study those it will help you understand what we are going to talk about tonight.
1 Tim 4:16, Paul writing to Timothy warns him and says:
“Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.”
Anyone who has even a cursory knowledge of the Doctrines of Grace knows that anything that we do does not (and cannot) save us. There is nothing we can do to save ourselves eternally as far as our salvation goes. Paul here is talking about temporal salvation; the salvation from the everyday calamities and curses that can come upon us for disobedience and the hardships that also come upon us for all manner of disobedience. Paul says,
“Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.”
We should understand from this (and of course only a hard-core Arminian would come to the conclusion after reading this that it is possible to save yourself) that this is temporal salvation in view, and we also understand from this how important doctrine is and the preaching of doctrine is.
With all the hostile e-mails I have received over the last couple of weeks; last week or so from pastors, I would say to them:
“What doctrine is taught is very important. And, according to Paul, by teaching to proper doctrine, it is possible temporally to save both yourself and other people. You are responsible for the souls placed under your care and you will give an answer for them, and if you don’t warn people about things that are blatantly dangerous then that penalty will be meted out on you personally and on those who you failed to warn.”
This is a very, very important thing we are studying here. Christian men throughout the history of the Church, through study, prayer and revelation, have come to the conclusion that the religious system would eventually, through time, evolve into a one-world cult. This has been the teaching of the Church since very early on. I’m going to go back 700 years, starting:
1. In 1310 with
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5. In 1522
6. In 1550
7. In 1553-54
10. 1600 King
12. In 1727 by
13. In 1754 by
This is the point I am making here - if you study history, specifically if we study Christian history, you will come to the conclusion soundly that it is impossible to believe that we are in the end-times, and at the same time deny that the Church has taught throughout history that the last days religious system would be apostate and would evolve into a one-world cult.
must (if you know anything about history of the
in the world has the world religious system come to the conclusion that we are
in a great revival or that this movie particularly is going to be on the
forefront of a great revival? The Bible
prophesies general apostasy and shows that the religious system will be moving
into a one-world cult. When we see that the Protestant Movement is
steam-rolling right back to
somehow separated in their mind with the teachings of the Church and what is patently
obvious about what is going on in the world.
All of these great giants of the faith (and thousands more, by the way)
were killed by the
1. Was the Antichrist of the Bible.
2. That the Pope of Rome was the man of sin, the son of perdition .
3. He was revealed and has been revealed consistently for over 700 years.
For 700 years, the Church of Jesus Christ has come to the uniform conclusion that the Pope of Rome and the Papacy were the Antichrist, and somehow over the last 100 or so years, this has been obscured beyond recognition and so this is an underlying foundation of what I’m going to talk about tonight.
The Great Deception that is spoken about in the scriptures says that “many will be deceived”; in fact if you weren’t the very elect, you would be deceived. This is what we need to understand, when we posted the article on “The Passion”, our position was very, very simple: the 2 nd commandment forbids any images of the Godhead or any member of the Godhead. This was the position of the Church from before the Protestant Reformation. It has been almost uniformly the position (and I am going to read some quotes in a little while of the position of the Reformers) of the Puritans and the Pilgrims and the Founders of this nation, that to even make a picture of Jesus Christ was idolatry and a violation of the 2 nd commandment. All I’m saying is that now, if I stand up here in the year 2004 and merely repeat what has been taught in the Church for 700 years, we can find out exactly where we are on God’s timeline by looking at how the world reacts to the statements that have been the plain teaching of all our belief system for 700 years.
Histrionics panic, absolute anger, hatred, threatened violence; merely for standing up and saying, “Listen, the Church has always taught:
1. That we don’t make any images of God, and,
2. That the Pope is the Antichrist.”
now we should realize that if one of the Pope’s henchman makes an image of
1. That man would take
upon himself the name of
2. That he would say
3. That he would do away with God’s laws,
4. That he would institute his own laws,
5. That he would sit as a moderator or some type of intermediator between God and man.
This has been the prophecies that the Church has been watching for 2000 years, and all we’re saying is that this has not only happened, but it has happened right before they eyes of the Church! If you’ll look around today—to say anything against it (the RCC) today—it makes you a hater. It makes you somehow a “non-Christian.” So-called “Protestants” today have united their efforts to legitimize the Church of Rome and anybody who denies that fact is a liar and the truth is not in them.
If you go down the list of those who have supported this movie, you’ll not only find a list of people who have continually, throughout their careers, supported the Church of Rome; but they have either passively or actively written or taught that the Church of Rome is a legitimate Church. They will say that although the Catholic Church may have some errors that they are still Christian in nature. I will tell you this; you can be a lot of things at a particular time and still be a Christian. You can be a whore and be a Christian. You can be a murderer and be a Christian. You can commit all manner of sins and still be a Christian. But there is one thing you cannot be and be a Christian — that is Anti-Christian. You can’t be Anti-Christ and be a Christian, it is impossible; that is simple logic. I could spend some time here and go through the scriptures and go through that with you, but it is patently true that you can not be Anti-Christian and be a Christian.
2. Looking for a hero.
Mel Gibson stood up to make a movie of a false “Christ” that matches the false “Christ” that these people have made up in their heads – and you can see these people rushing to embrace what they considered (and hoped) to be an anti-Semitic movie. If the Jews didn’t like the movie, you knew the Patriot movement would LOVE it. So the movie was tailor-made to take the Patriot movement off the map and to bring them right into the same one-world movement they spend page after page after page on the Internet saying they are against.
So, Mel Gibson captured their imagination, fed right into what was expected of him. The Roman Catholic church has subverted and taken over the Patriot movement (of course we expected this for some time, since the intelligence agencies that have infiltrated and controlled the Patriot movement are all run by Catholics).
me tell you really quickly that the whole idea that this movie, from the
beginning, that people came out against
this movie as anti-Semitic is a lie. Nobody
was against this movie. In fact, nobody
really knew what was going to be in the movie. The Jews had not come out against previous
movies about “
Right at the opportune time, a couple of globalist plants in the ADL who were Jesuitical plants (who have always stood up to take the side of that particular New World Order group) stood up and started saying that this movie was anti-Semitic. Now that smells like a plant to me; when nobody is saying anything and Mel Gibson suddenly comes out and does interviews and says he is being attacked and his father has been threatened because his movie is anti-Semitic; then all of a sudden you get a couple of talking heads in the ADL who pop up saying the movie is anti-Semitic. This has been a diversion from the very beginning to take attention away from the fact that the movie is Anti-Christian; it is not anti-Semitic at all -- it is an anti-Christian movie. You see? It is very easy to take people’s minds off the real issue when you start talking about something that doesn’t even matter. Since when has the Christian Church ever consulted Judaism to decide if a movie is OK? They never have, and all of a sudden this thing blows up and nobody asks the question that’s really at the core of this —
ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE MAKING IMAGES OF JESUS CHRIST?
IS THIS A VIOLATION OF THE 2 ND COMMANDMENT?
is the real question, you see, but that is the question that can’t be asked. The movie is anti-Christian, not anti-Semitic.
Nobody wanted to ask any questions about
II, which happened in the mid-1960’s, changed the way the Roman Catholic Church
operated. Prior to that, in the historic
Roman Church, the masses were done in Latin. According to many of the most conservative
members of the Roman Church, because of those traditions, the miracles that
they believe happened during the Mass, happened because of the tradition. So if the Mass is properly done in Latin, by a
properly ordained priest, then they believe that transubstantiation actually
happens during the
Pre-V2 movement has been infested with Jesuits since the very beginning. They don’t mind hating a Pope that goes
against their power. The Jesuits have
killed at least 2 Popes. You can find that information in “The
Gibson says he believes that transubstantiation has not happened (except in a
very few places) since the Vatican II. So he opened his own church that does the Mass
according to the old ways, according to the Old Latin. Because of that, he believes that the miracle
of bread and wine actually turning into
Some of you may be saying, ‘what does that have to do with what we are talking about?’ It has everything to do with what we are talking about because those miracles and transubstantiation in particular, are what causes -- according to the pre-Vatican II Catholics -- the Catholic Church to have the authority to act against those who are heretics. You see if you are a heretic yourself, you don’t have the authority to burn another heretic, but if you are doing things right and the miracles are happening and transubstantiation is happening in your church, then you then have the authority to act out what the Jesuits proposed in the 15-1600s, which was the destruction of all non-Catholics, even to the point of murdering them or burning them at the stake, which is why they had the Inquisition.
ought to be very, very careful of this pre-Vatican II movement, even if it
seems on the surface like we both are against the
is a classic dialectic. Let me tell you
how this works. In Soviet Russia it was
quite common to do what was called “the thaw.” What would happen is Stalin, or Khrushchev, or
Brezhnev, or whoever was in power, would start to liberalize and he would give
power and greater freedom to the intelligentsia and to the literary giants to
act with more freedom, and when he found out who his enemies were (this
happened in both in Russia and China, too) they would round them all up and kill
them or put them in the camps. That is
how they found out who your enemies are; you say, ‘oh, we’ve been too harsh,
we’ve acted too rashly, so we want to open things up.’ Then you round up anyone who sticks their head
out. If you get a book called, New
Lies for Old (I’ve got it here in the library), written by a man named
Anatoly Golitsen in 1985 before the fall of the Soviet Union, you will find
that he said that Perestroika and Glasnost was actually this same type of movement, only
on a bigger scale. They were going to
feign and fake the fall of the
Now if you’ll follow the liberalization movement that has happened under Pope John Paul II (and going back to V2) you’ll know that every time that a major disaster hits the Catholic Church — such as the problem they’ve had with priests fondling little boys — it’s actually when the Roman church is on the move to ecumenicalism. The biggest moves they make to infiltrate and destroy the Protestant Churches are when they show themselves to be weak. So, you have the great movement like the Promise Keepers and all these ecumenical types of movements (like the Charismatic movement which is purely Jesuitical) happen while the Catholic Church acts like they are weak. When they have scandals and these types of things is when you have to watch them, because that is when they are making inroads into destroying Protestantism. This has happened continuously — this dialectic where you act like you’re weak and when the inevitable conservative backlash comes — you can say, “we are getting rid of this old guard that was touching boys out there behind the altar.”
conservative wing of the Catholic Church is the
The dialectic is there. The plan started during the Reformation and I wrote about this in Swarms of Locust, and we also have some videos available (Swarms, The Papal Presidency, etc.) If you haven’t read Swarms of Locusts, you need to read the book. The counter-Reformation was started in the 1540’s at the Council of Trent. At the Council of Trent they decided they were going to destroy Protestantism no matter what the cost. By doing so, the Jesuit Order was put in control. They would infiltrate:
3. Protestant seminaries
4. Acting groups and guilds
7. All different manners of businesses
By doing so they would subtly push Protestantism to embrace the basic doctrines of Catholicism without having the name and the evil weight that was associated with those. That is what Swarms of Locusts is basically about…the doctrines.
began to accelerate at the end of the 1500s and you saw people like Robert
Bellarmine, Alcazar and Francisco Ribera begin to put forth prophetic views
that were designed to protect the
teachings began to infiltrate through people like Scofield (and his Jesuit Bible);
they infiltrate the seminaries throughout
intelligence apparatus of the
this began to come together over the last 20 years when we saw the rise to
power in both the Democratic and Republican parties, people who either came out
of these same schools, or came from schools like
you see Jesuitism rising in the
Gibson played right into this, knowing that there was an anti-government
movement growing in this country in the early to mid 1980’s. He began making movies that played right into all
of this. At the exact same time, the great apostate religious phenomenon like
So Mel Gibson, as he began to plan the rollout of this movie, played the anti-Semite card and began gaining great attention toward this movie. Jesuit Zionists out of the ADL then came out against the movie saying that it was anti-Semitic, which was a lie both on their part and on the part of Mel Gibson.
So we end up with the entire religious system in America and around the world embracing a film that is not only flawed, not only a bad movie factually and theologically, but one that is the most blatant violation of the 2 nd commandment that has ever happened since Jesus Christ walked the face of the earth. They not only are embracing it; they are pushing it, hawking it, as if it is Jesus Christ Himself walking on that flat screen. The indulgence pushers are back, and if you don’t think that this is an indulgence you are wrong. You go down there and pay your ticket, and the Catholic Church says that if you believe that movie, then you believe the gospel and you are one of them. There is a quote in my article on “The Passion” by the Pontifical Council which basically says “If you deny this movie, you deny the gospel. If you embrace the movie, you embrace the gospel.” That is nothing but an indulgence; an indulgence for the price of a movie ticket. All of this is happening right under our eyes.
The so-called prophecy hawks like Tim LaHaye, Grant Jeffrey and Hal Lindsey have warned us about a coming “ecumenical movement” for the last 15 years, then the minute the most blatantly ecumenical movie in history comes out, they all run down to see it and say if you don’t go see it, something is wrong with you.
WHAT IS HISTORY FOR?
Let me ask you a question. What is history for? Why did God even give us a historical perspective or the ability or the desire to record these things that we think and believe through time? What is history for if it is merely to be ignored? What is history for if we don’t learn anything from it? If all we’re going to do is wake up everyday as if nothing ever happened before then and make all our decisions based on our five senses and what we think (which is to deify the thoughts and sensations of our own brains) then there is no need for history. There is also no need to go forward because tomorrow is going to be just as hectic and as Godless as today. History gives us the idea and the ability to know that there is a plan being worked out through history and will be worked out tomorrow. History is going there. That is our hope.
reason I know I can trust God tomorrow is because the Holy Spirit has showed me
that men trusted Him 2000 years ago. People
trusted him all the way to the burning stakes 500 years ago. People trusted Him as they were being killed
by the Roman Catholic Church in the late 1500-1600’s. 100,000 Albigenses and Waldensians trusted
Christ as they were slaughtered by the Catholic Church. Hundreds of thousands of Huguenots trusted
Christ as they were nearly wiped out by the
is total despair when there is no history; because if I wake up and I have to
decide today what I’m going to believe based on my five senses and what is “happening”
to me, then there is no hope for tomorrow. There is no hope at all. I might as well end it all right now. The entire world is committing suicide because
they don’t know history. They are
killing themselves everyday because they don’t know history and if all you try
to do is tell them, “Let’s take a look at what the Puritans said and the
Pilgrims said and those of our forefathers said”, they say, “I’ll have none of
that history, I’m going to start off tomorrow like I started off today,
ignorant and stupid and fat! And I’m just going to keep killing myself until I
go to hell!” They might as well say
that. That is exactly what is going on. People are diving headlong into hell. It tells us in 1 st
is a love affair in this country with Roman Catholicism (or surreptitiously
through their doctrines) and with Mel Gibson in particular and with George W.
Bush. Nobody asks the hard questions. It hearkens back to the day of Hitler and
Stalin, especially the earliest days of Adolph Hitler. Here is another fact. The love affair with Hitler would have ended abruptly
if Protestant Germany had merely asked if the guy was a Roman Catholic. Do you understand that they didn’t have to
know anything about what the Nazi’s believed?
They didn’t have to know anything about his plans. The cradle of the Reformation was
same thing happened with Stalin. History
is continuous and now we have a love affair in this country with Mel Gibson and
George Bush. It hearkens the mind back
to the early days of
look at our country. George W. Bush just
1. We’re in trouble. This country is in trouble.
2. We’re (us in the true remnant) in trouble because I’m not going to shut up! I don’t plan on shutting up about it.
You can decide if you want to stick around for what necessarily happens to people like us who decide we’re not going to shut up. History repeats itself. Welcome to the Gulags, folks!
The time is here. There was a cult of personality built around Stalin and Hitler. It was not safe to criticize the administration. It wasn’t safe to criticize the propaganda movies put out by Joseph Goebbles and all those propaganda guys during Hitler’s time (Remember that Hitler gathered together with the PASTORS first, in 1933). It wasn’t safe to have an opinion other than that which the people in power told you that you were going to have. I will tell you after the last week and a half of e-mails, we are in a very dangerous situation. I honestly believe that if I said some of the things I’ve said tonight, some of the things I’ve said in that article in front of a large crowd in this country, we would get stoned. These people are violent and if you haven’t read some of their e-mails that I’ve put on the Internet, they are violently angry at anybody who doesn’t support Mel Gibson, this movie and this President — they are violently angry. The cult of personality around Mel Gibson and George Bush is frightening.
Let’s talk about persecution and censorship. During the time of Hitler and Stalin and afterward, there was a strict form of censorship in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Quite often (I’ve been reading the memoirs of Aleksander Solzhenitsyn this week) the censorship was not overt, which is surprising. The censorship was by intimidation.
There was a publication system in Soviet Russia where you could go to journals (like Novy Mir) and you could have your books or novels published by these journals. There was a government censor who would read the book and say that there was some things you could say and you couldn’t say, but most of the books produced in Soviet Russia in the 40’s, 50’s & 60’s never made it to the censor. The reason they never made it to the censor was because there was a cult of personality (a collective consciousness) that decided that it’s not worth it to get in trouble over it, so we’re not going to publish it anyway. Even if the journal wanted to publish it, they wouldn’t even send it to the censors because they knew it would bring repercussions.
was a counter-revolutionary freedom
all the parallels. In Soviet Russia you
had one guy running for office. At least
they weren’t hypocrites. You were
allowed to vote for the one guy that worked for the Communist Party. In
Now, none of my books have been accepted by a mainstream publisher, not one. In fact, we had a mainstream publisher for Swarms of Locusts , who accepted the book. They said they read it and loved the book, and they then got threatened by Marty Stacy, Dave Hunt and the Arminian so-called “Christian” mainstream publishing cult a couple of days before we signed a contract on the book. They suddenly decided that they had misread it and that it was a horrible book and they couldn’t publish it, which is exactly what happened in Soviet Russia in the 50’s and 60’s. The publishers realized that the book was unpublishable under the current cult of personality. It is my opinion (and maybe some brave publisher out there wants to prove me wrong) that it is impossible to have a book published today (outside of our own samizdat), a legitimate book that challenges or criticizes:
1. The one-world cult religious system
2. This particular President (unless it is within the realms of the Jesuitical system of bi-jesuitical politics, like if you are a liberal Democrat you are allowed to criticize the president because whether John Kerry wins or George Bush wins, hey, you still have a Jesuit in the White House who went to Yale and was a member of the “Skull and Bones”.)
see if I’m wrong. If history holds true,
there will be tens of thousands of people who will either hear this sermon or
read the transcript of it. Let’s see if
some publisher out there believes that there is still room in
If you want to get a book published… I guarantee, I challenge the people who are listening to my voice… we’ve had 180,000 hits to the website in the past week, and I can’t get a book published in this country. Check it out for yourself. Think about that. Tell me that we’re not in the same age of Soviet-style censorship… now I can go through self-publishing, through America’s samizdat, and as long as the book doesn’t become too popular or something doesn’t leak out to the wrong people, then probably I’m fairly safe in this country. We’ll see how long that lasts.
is a need in this country for brave men and brave women who refuse to cow-tow
to the type of terrorism and threats that we’ve had over the past week. We need a new literature in this country that
exposes this system. You can not overwrite what we are talking about
today. There is an inexhaustible amount
of information and we need people out there with some talent, with the ability
to expose this system, to write true literature that we can get out to the
people. It worked in Nazi Germany, and it worked in
What God plans to do with it after we write it, I don’t care. We need people of courage, people who don’t care about persecution and censorship, personal slander and those types of things. We need true resistance literature in this country – that literature does not now exist.
(MB’s note: I’m not
really talking about underground “expose” books, those are great, but there are
plenty of those. The system has
succeeded in marginalizing those materials and writers so that no one will read
them. I’m talking about real literature
– “fiction” books, short stories, etc. that show the reality. The
When most of the people on my e-mail list and most of the people who are supposedly in the resistance in this country, listen to somebody like Alex Jones, a Roman Catholic liar who is now pushing this movie, we’ve got a problem, because the enemy is controlling the resistance. What we need is true resistance literature in this country. It is time for heroes, and it’s time for martyrs and it’s time for people to stand up and talk about those things that somehow that cult of personality has decided can’t be talked about… I will tell you this, I’ve had dozens of e-mails from people, from forums and elsewhere, from people who received my article who’ve said, “Finally, somebody said the unspeakable.”
Think about that.
We just finished going through a quick review of history going through Stalin, Stalinism, the cult of personality, censorship and publication, propaganda in Hitler’s Germany, etc.; and the point, of course (as we move forward specifically tying it to the movie, “The Passion”), is that now the ecumenical movement has a new impetus. We see the emergence of the One World Cult embracing Catholic doctrines and Catholic mysticism through not only this movie, but through that which has happened through the charismatic movement, Promise Keepers, the Vineyard movement, the Prophecy movement, and those things that have thrived in the last several years.
The enemy now is arrayed for battle. Their flags are unfurled. They are surrounding the elect. We once thought we were small when it was just those of us who believed and understood about the New World Order. Then the Lord let us into the full knowledge of the Doctrines of Election and the Doctrines of Grace and we realized how truly small we really are. And now we see the largest propaganda movement by the Jesuit Order counter-reformation since the 1530’s, and we see how truly minuscule the elect of God truly is.
So many people have been deceived by this movie that it is more and more difficult to cut through the rhetoric. I want to talk about the responses to any criticisms to the movie.
It is evident now that any criticism to the movie is not only anti-Catholic but is hate. I explained to one of my attackers this week after he said, “Why do you hate the Catholic Church?” I said, “Well, it’s not necessary for me to discuss why or if I hate the Catholic Church. God hates the Catholic Church. The reason he hates the Catholic Church is because it is Anti-Christ. It is very simple. That doesn’t take a lot of deep reasoning and understanding to see that God hates Anti-Christ. That is completely reasonable for God to hate that which hates His Son and tries to draw away and destroy souls. God hates the Catholic Church”.
They will say, “Why do you hate Catholics?” I don’t have any regard (as in an emotion) whatsoever for Catholics or so-called Protestants or Mormons or anything else like that. I have the same regard for them (because they were created in the image of God) that I have for any fellow man. So I believe that I don’t have the right to murder them. If one of them is hungry, I believe I should feed them. If one of them is injured, I believe we should take care of them. If one of them is thirsty, I believe we should get them a glass of cool water. I even pray for them to be regenerated, but, I don’t believe that there is any requirement for me to have an emotional attachment to that which hates God. I have no regard for them in that way whatsoever.
they are calling hate… let me give you a quick review of what hate is in
“¼thou hatest the all workers of iniquity.” I have no emotion about it one way or another. However the homosexual is mad as hell because I had the courage in this day of the cult of personality and political correctness to say it! He is burning with hatred for my insolence! He hates me for saying it, so he says, “You hate!” He projects his hatred on me. If I send out an article that merely says what was the consistent position of the Protestant Church, even before the Protestant Reformation, even going back 700 years; that the Church believed that you absolutely could not make any likenesses of the Godhead (that has been the teaching of the Church for 700 years); if I say that, they say, “Well, you hate Catholics.” I don’t hate Catholics. You hate me. You hate me because I have the guts to tell you the truth and what the Bible says, you see? You want to shut me up. You are burning with hatred because somebody got out of your fascist party line.
is no longer something that I feel for someone else; it is what someone feels
for me. I’m guilty of hate if someone
hates me. That’s what happens in the
cult of personality that is
Let’s discuss the destruction of the Bible as the foundation for truth. One of the greatest lessons for the students here, at our little chicken farm/theological seminary over the last week, has been to debate this issue on the Internet forums all around the country and around the world. The one lesson the students here have learned is that no one cares about the Bible any more, don’t bring that out as evidence. Flat out! I got an e-mail from a lady who posted my article on a forum and the guy wrote his answer, “Of course the movie is an image, of course it’s an image of God. We all need pictures and idols of God so we’ll know what to worship.” That’s what he wrote!
brothers here will tell you that they have received e-mails much the same, that
either say, “Well, I’m not worshipping the picture; I’m not worshipping the
movie, so it must be all right.” These
people don’t know anything about the 2 nd commandment or its purpose,
and when you bring up what the purpose is, they just call you a hater, and they
delete you, they kick you off the forum, religious censorship. Now this is not a guy proposing Mormonism or
some other cult. This is not proposing
some heresy. This is merely stating what
you see that they have destroyed the idea that the Bible is the foundation of
truth. I got into a long — 12-13 page --
e-mail conversation with a lady. She was
very shrill at the very beginning (typing with all caps with exclamation points)
about how angry she was that I was willing to write this article. So I began to talk to her about the doctrines
So that is the first argument you hear, “Well that’s just your interpretation, just your opinion.” When the 2 nd commandment says, “THOU SHALT NOT …” that really isn’t about my opinion. It’s about what God is saying.
second argument you’re going to hear is called the “counter scripture” argument. People actually believe that if they can find
a scripture, tear it out of its full context, and use it to counter your scripture, then they cancel
each other out! They’ll say, “Well, what
about the nation of
We’ve gone through two arguments so far:
1. That’s just your interpretation
2. The counter scripture
Here is another one: #3 Teaching by what is not there. When someone says, “Well, in the movie they show things that didn’t happen in the gospels,” these brainwashed people will say, “Well, how do you know it didn’t happen then? Because it’s not in the Bible.”
how do I know
There were two positions that were taken during the Reformation time. The Catholic Church said if it’s not forbidden in the scriptures, then it must be OK, and the Protestant church said, “No, if it’s not allowed in the scripture, we don’t do it. We do what the scripture says we’re allowed to do.”
to these arguments! When I call someone
a Catholic, and they say, “Well, I’m not a Catholic”, I’ll say, “Well, if I
just go down the list of all the arguments you give me, they are Catholic
arguments. You say it’s OK to have this
idol because you say you don’t worship it. Well, the Catholic Church in their Catechism
says that its OK to have a statue of
#4: “I don’t know or care what the Bible says, I just love
Argument #5: “You are just a legalist.” That is interesting, because the same people who tell me that I can’t drink a beer or smoke a cigar; the same people who tell me if I don’t dress right, if I don’t act right, if I don’t show up on Sunday, if I don’t bow the knee to some modern priest at the pulpit down here at the street corner harlot “church” that I’m not saved — these people have created an entire list of rules that aren’t even in the scriptures! They say, “Invite Jesus into your heart” — find that in the scripture. Walk down an aisle and say some prayer to a priest (Pastor) - find that in the scripture. All this stuff they do down here on Sunday, list after list of stuff that is not in the scripture, but they demand that you and that I do it; and then the one time that we point out the 2 nd commandment and say, “You’re not supposed to do that”, they scream, “You legalist!”
The most legalistic group in the history of the world is the One World Cult that we live in today. All you have to do is put my picture on the Internet with me holding a beer (the Puritans called beer “the drink of moderation”) and a cigar and all hell would break loose! Two things that aren’t even mentioned in the scriptures! But if I print the 2 nd commandment and put it on a forum, I’m an anti-Catholic hater. What a legalist! It’s insane!
Here is a good one I got: ‘History is for dead guys.’ Brilliant argument. I hope that you utilize a little bit of history when you pass through the next traffic light. I hope something that you’ve learned in the past occurs to you when you decide whether you are going to have “Windex” or wine to drink with dinner tonight. (Oh, I forgot, wine is forbidden, but images of God graven on film are ok).
History is important; it is just based on your perspective. For small and ignorant minds, I hope that it (your historical perspective) goes as far back as to know that “Windex” is not good to drink, but for people who expect just a little bit more out of life, I hope you are willing to go back a little bit farther, maybe to the real Crucifixion and work forward from there until you find out what you are supposed to believe. You think that that would be valuable? That we at least go back to the real Crucifixion?
me tell you this, in Mel Gibson’s movie, he’s got this little Satan, this
little feminine Satan, following Jesus around. Here is a tip for you: The Bible says that
The next argument (#6): Overall ignorance and stupidity. You have to give people credit who are willing to admit that they are ignorant and stupid; that’s why they are going to the movie (and I’ve gotten a few of those). Here is the ignorant and stupid argument: “Well, I want to know what all the hub-bub is about.” That’s just saying –– I’m ignorant and stupid so I’m going to the movie anyway. Here’s the e-mail I’ve liked: “How can you say anything about the movie, you haven’t seen it?” Well, that is because it is a violation of the 2 nd commandment. If they came down here and they built a whorehouse in Smyer, Texas and they wrote “Whorehouse” on it and they advertised in the newspaper that it was a whorehouse, and I said to the flock here: “Don’t go to the whorehouse”, these people would yell, “Legalist! How do you know, you haven’t been there!” The law hasn’t changed. I’m not supposed to go to the whorehouse. It’s all in Proverbs, go read about it. I’m not supposed to go down there. I don’t need to go down there and experience it so I can come back and give you a critical evaluation of the whorehouse: why it’s not good for you to go. What this leads to, and now we get a little bit more serious, is the slaughter of the sheep by the so-called ‘shepherds.’
Turtullian wrote that an idolater is not just an
idolater, he is a murderer. He murders
himself and everyone else around him. What
is happening today — the largest marketing arm in the world, the religious
"Set aside names, examine works, the idolater is likewise a murderer. Do you inquire whom he has slain? Well, if it contributes ought to the aggravation of the indictment, no stranger, no personal enemy, but his own self. By what snares? Those of his error. By what weapon? The offense done to God. By how many blows? By as many as are his idolatries… Sufficient to itself is the name so inimical to God, a substance of crime so copious which reaches forth so many branches, diffuses so many veins, that from this name for the greatest part is drawn the material of all the modes in which the expansiveness of idolatry has been fore-guarded against by us. Since in manifold-wise it subverts the servants of God and this not only when unperceived, but also when cloaked over, but if the head of unrighteousness is idolatry the first point is that we be fortified against the abundance of idolatry while we recognize it in its palpable manifestation.”
Turtullian’s point is that idolatry is murder. Tertullian is saying
that you had better be very careful not only to look for idolatry that is
obvious… like if they built a big gold statue of a calf or of Caesar and they
stand it on the temple in
Lovebug down there in Alabama who is writing me
telling me how many souls he’s saved while I’m busy bashing the poor Catholics,
how much time he spends going out and preaching the gospel, at the same time he
is pushing his church to go see this movie. He piles them on the church bus to take them
down to commit soul murder, he doesn’t even realize he is a soul-slaughterer:
committing manslaughter, wholesale by the busload, by putting his bus full of
people down there to go see this movie. People
think I’m being a little bit extreme, They say, “Hey,
it’s just a movie”, well, what kind of penalty did
Church spent years trying to write down the fact of the God/Man Jesus Christ:
the fact that He was fully man and fully God, undivided. For years they tried to rack their brains to
write down in words the confessions that would let people know that you can’t… if
you take a man and put a beard on him and call him
Lovebug doesn’t love his flock, he hates them. He doesn’t love truth, he loves death. Through his swelling words and
self-appreciation he has convinced himself that he is the real lover of Christ.
In fact he has said it over and over
again, “Where is your grace? Where is your love? While you are out there
writing articles bashing other Christians, I’m talking to hundreds of people
that are going to this movie, and I’m leading them to
“The sins forbidden in the 2 nd commandment are: all devising, counseling, commanding, using, even approving any religious worship not instituted by God Himself, tolerating of false religion, the making of any representation of God or all or any of the three persons either inwardly in our mind or outwardly in any kind of image or likeness.”
That was what was taught to small children for hundreds of years, for hundreds of years, that if you make a likeness of Jesus, that is idolatry. But it says not only that… I’ll tell you what; this was the Confession along with the Baptist Confession that was accepted by governments! And the government of this country was founded on this and the other Protestant confessions. These governments accepted, even approved of these things. The Confessions said that approving a false religion is idolatry and a violation of the 2 nd commandment. Approving of someone going to this movie (which is an attempted representation of One of the Godhead) is a violation of the 2 nd commandment. It is soul-murder.
how I told you in the last hour how important history is? The command forbids (According
“Not only the worship of false gods but also the worshipping of the true God by images.”
Some people argue, “Well, I’m not worshipping a false god, I’m worshipping the real God – through an image.” There is two arguments:
1. I’m going to the movie but I’m not worshipping anybody, and,
2. Why, I’m worshipping the true God, and the image just allows me to increase my devotion.
What is devotion if it isn’t worship? We are going to get to that argument in a minute. Here are some quotes from some of the most important and intelligent of the Puritan writers… It is become quite popular today to ignore history and to ignore foundation of this country and prophecy (true prophecy). It has become quite the thing to do to create one’s own theology in one’s own mind and to base what you believe on what you want to do anyway or what fits into your current lifestyle.
Here is what the Puritan writers said:
not lawful to have pictures of
(He is saying if you go to the movie, and it doesn’t create devotion it is just vain. Why are you going anyway? It is just vanity. Remember, that is the first argument that we just addressed… people say, I’m not going to worship anything.) He continues:
“If it do stir up emotion it is worshipping, because devotion is worship, by an image or a picture and is so palpable a breach of the 2 nd commandment.” (Thomas Vincent)
Idolatry, especially idolatry that is sanctioned and marketed by the One World Cult (it is the religious system today that has approved this movie from the pope all the way down through all the major denominations including the great media whores on the radio today, from James Dobson on down), always leads to… any of you care about prophecy? You know what always happens? Idolatry that is sanctioned by the religious system in the government always leads to destruction of that nation. Every time and in a short amount of time, a very short amount of time. Government and religious sanctioned idolatry leads immediately to the destruction of that country. Historically, it has happened every time. Every time. That is a firm law of history, you can write it down.
cannot say but that this false image of
you want to see a fulfillment of prophecy, this is the most blatant and obvious
fulfillment of prophecy in your lifetime and mine, including the recapturing of
me give you a little bit of a picture of why I believe honestly that this movie
is inevitably going to move us into some very important prophetic events and in
a very, very short amount of time. First
of all, it has solidified in the minds and the hearts of the people the image
of both Mel Gibson and George W. Bush as the religious heroes of a new revival;
a new revival that has Time Magazine, Newsweek and all
the major magazines have put George W. Bush as it head. Mel Gibson now is their new poster boy and so
through the parallels of history that I showed you with Hitler and Goebbels, with Stalin, we now see the invasion of a foreign
country at the same time that you have a major motion picture… by the way, do
you know the name of the major motion picture was in Germany that brought about
the same thing this movie does? Triumph of the
We can see that we are in for some very, very interesting, fascinating days. I honestly believe that we have the ability, right now, to know who to trust and who not to trust in these times. We’ve been given the biggest clue, the biggest line in the sand so that we can know in the last days who we’re going to trust and who we’re not going to trust. People who have been at the forefront of the prophecy movement or in the patriot movement who are embracing this movie cannot be trusted. They cannot be hearing from God if they are telling people to go see this movie.
Second of all, those who have been silent or ambivalent about the movie, as far as I am concerned, can’t be trusted either. The spiritually most mature people I’ve met wouldn’t touch this film with a 10-foot pole and the people who are the least spiritually mature either really don’t care or are not that troubled by it. And the most spiritually wicked men are pushing people to go see this movie. What we’ve had here is that God has given us this divine thermometer, or a meter whereby we can test who we can trust and who we can’t trust in the days that are to come. What I would do, I would even go back a couple of weeks and see who was talking about this before it came out. There’ll be a lot of people hopping on the band wagon when some of the things we’ve exposed concerning the Jesuitical connections with the movie, their writing of the transcript, the screenplay and those things. I hope to have that video if not next Monday or the Monday after… of Mel Gibson admitting that the Jesuits wrote the movie, those types of things so we can show you. Once the people begin to understand that, then I think you’ll see other people jumping on the band wagon, I don’t trust them either.
For years if you have been following the Prophecy movement there has always been a question as to how all these different pieces of the puzzle were ever going to get together. For those of us who had been around the Patriot movement or been around the Prophecy movement or been around the politics in general, it seemed impossible. But I think this crosses over, I think it’s not just a One World religion, I think this is a move towards the solidifying of tyrannical power in this country behind a fascist pseudo-Christian administration (whether it be Democratic or Republican). Religion has inevitably become a part of what it is to be successful in politics today.
those who follow prophecy it’s been very difficult to see how they would ever… get…
for example, only a year or so ago you had
concept is if you go back literally over the last 3-4 wars, they’ve not been
national wars, but they have been religious wars including the war in
the next pope goes back to pre-Vatican II, reinstitutes all the Latin Mass and of
course anybody who knows anything about Protestant history knows that when we
go back in that direction we end up getting tied to stakes and burned alive. Of course, it’s not the average Protestant that
that’s going to happen to, because they’ve all gone right back to
All the basics of the RC faith are now eagerly embraced by Protestants. If you don’t think so, pick out a Christian forum today and go and post on there the basics of historic Protestantism at the time of the Protestant Reformation and you will be very quickly kicked off of that forum, banned from ever posting again. That is just a fact. That is why I’m saying that this is a very important prophetic event. It has accomplished what Sept 11 th didn’t accomplish, far more prophetic importance than that.
second thing is I honestly think–there is a curse on
that type of idolatry and when you see the lead actor being struck by
lightening hanging on the cross—which happened to Jim Caviezel
(which was admitted by Mel Gibson in the video from the Tonight Show that I’m
going to show you when we get it), I think God is very, very interested in who
goes to see this movie and I believe that when the Bible says there is going to
be great deception, I believe that that deception is a spiritual deception that
takes over people when they make a willful decision to do that which in their
conscience they know is wrong. For those
people who have already gone to see it, repentance is still available, but I
personally would make it a very, very important part of my life in the near
future. I think it is very dangerous. I think minds are being turned, and souls are being
destroyed, and when it says in 1st
Gracious Heavenly Father, we thank you so much for Your Grace and Your Mercy,
Lord. We thank You so much that You’ve given us this
window of opportunity to scream at the top of our voices what we know to be the
truth. Unite our hearts together Lord,
give us strength to continue to stand. Heavenly Father, no matter what forces
come against us Lord, we know that You are our Shield,
our Buckler Lord. We ask you to quench
the fiery darts of the enemy Lord, to continue to be a hedge of protection
around us in this homegroup. Heavenly Father, we reach out to those who are
like-minded all around the
Your servant in Christ Jesus,